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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2009, 02:09:32 AM »

I agree with Severed (except on the Metallica thing, they've been crap since '87).
Metal's only subjective on the most primitive of levels, musical value is determined by the collective subjective opinions that ultimately result in an objective set of fundamental rules/facts. That means; All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter.

Anyway, I always thought it was weird that some people are able to choose one favorite band.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2009, 01:24:31 PM »

I agree with Severed (except on the Metallica thing, they've been crap since '87).
Metal's only subjective on the most primitive of levels, musical value is determined by the collective subjective opinions that ultimately result in an objective set of fundamental rules/facts. That means; All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter.

Anyway, I always thought it was weird that some people are able to choose one favorite band.
I can't do it, but if anyone's not already checked out The Mentors, start with their early material.


Having said that, those 'rules' clearly do apply to some types of music, and no matter of objectiveness can make a song from an rtist like, Chris Brown, Britteny Spears or Beyonce a metal track.

My favourite metal band is either Power Quest or Dragonforce, I love power metal.
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2009, 04:24:28 PM »

I agree with Severed (except on the Metallica thing, they've been crap since '87).
Metal's only subjective on the most primitive of levels, musical value is determined by the collective subjective opinions that ultimately result in an objective set of fundamental rules/facts. That means; All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter.

Anyway, I always thought it was weird that some people are able to choose one favorite band.
I can't do it, but if anyone's not already checked out The Mentors, start with their early material.


Finally, Someone talking some sense. <3

Also lol at dragon force.
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2009, 07:08:57 PM »

Metallica, yep they have been crap for awhile, they sang a song (Whiplash) saying they never stop, WELL YOU DID STOP!!!  Well here some the bands I listen to, Strapping Young Lad, 3 Inches of Blood, Fear Factory, Morbid Angel, Annihilator, Anthrax, Arch Enemy and Sepultura.  Theres more but meh dont want to type them all xD Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2009, 02:05:25 PM »

Its impossible for me to say whats the best metal band of all times! Thats a question no one can answer and everyone that can answer whats his ultimate favourite band is a idiot or a fanboy and has no own thoughts.
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2009, 07:05:01 AM »

Wow.....
I created this topic so that people can put down the type of metal they enjoy listening to. I didnt expect everyone to go off on each other and act like complete politicans just arguing and bickering but never getting their points across. Everyone has their own opinions, and in this country, unfortunetly sometimes, people have a right to say/do/listen to what they want. While i may not agree on some of the bands everyone listens to, i still open up a new tab for youtube and listen to some of the bands that are listed on this topic, just to get a taste of the different styles of music and see what other people are in to. Notice i didnt pick a favorite band nor did i ask anyone to. I simply asked for anyone to post what metal band they enjoyed listening to, and i gave a few of mine. People who say they have a favorite band isnt bc there are fanboys or have no thoughts, it because somehow, that band has found a way to get at the person to their very core when it comes to music, and satisfy the human urge to listen to music. There will always be music, and many different kinds of music at that. Everyone will never agree completely on which music is the best, or which band is the best. Tolerance is something that people dont seem to have these days, and i find it pathetic that people cant accept/tolerate other people's opinioins/beliefs. But thats just me ranting so ya. I just wanted a topic to chat about all the different kinds of metal bc i love music, not argue with everyone, thats all.
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2009, 11:38:36 AM »

Wow.....
I created this topic so that people can put down the type of metal they enjoy listening to. I didnt expect everyone to go off on each other and act like complete politicans just arguing and bickering but never getting their points across. Everyone has their own opinions, and in this country, unfortunetly sometimes, people have a right to say/do/listen to what they want. While i may not agree on some of the bands everyone listens to, i still open up a new tab for youtube and listen to some of the bands that are listed on this topic, just to get a taste of the different styles of music and see what other people are in to. Notice i didnt pick a favorite band nor did i ask anyone to. I simply asked for anyone to post what metal band they enjoyed listening to, and i gave a few of mine. People who say they have a favorite band isnt bc there are fanboys or have no thoughts, it because somehow, that band has found a way to get at the person to their very core when it comes to music, and satisfy the human urge to listen to music. There will always be music, and many different kinds of music at that. Everyone will never agree completely on which music is the best, or which band is the best. Tolerance is something that people dont seem to have these days, and i find it pathetic that people cant accept/tolerate other people's opinioins/beliefs. But thats just me ranting so ya. I just wanted a topic to chat about all the different kinds of metal bc i love music, not argue with everyone, thats all.
Sounding pretty pretentious there, champ.
The supposed "arguing and bickering" that your so disgusted with here is laughable. I've seen people type out 2,000 word essays trying to refute one another over the painfully obvious, people desperately quote mining in hopes of throwing their opponent off-guard through the power of a misguided temporary mindf*ck, and even kids getting bashed off their favorite sites because they themselves can't even scrap together an explanation as to why they think one subgenre emits a vibe of musically integral validity over (or on-par with) other sub-genres that just plain don't need excuses.

To assume all your fellow posters (like you) are cursed with the stigma of a criminally under-developed opinion when it comes to how Metal should be viewed in a social context, would be ridiculous, tedious, and above all; naive.
Conflicting ideas to the point of discrimination and prejudice? In Metal? Nawwww, who would have thought?....
Whenever you post a thread relating to metal (especially on a non-metal-specific forum, where there are no sub-forums to moderate/clarify your intentions), your automatically opening up a mammoth door to a myriad of discussion possibilities. Unfortunately, some of those possibilities will lead to disagreements, young Padawan, and naming your topic "Best Metal Band?" isn't exactly going to bias the odds against conflict... It most likely won't convey that you didn't want people to air who their favorite artist(s) is/are either...

Point is, it should be obvious that certain bands of the "core" persuasion arn't going to sit too well with fans of actual Metal, regardless of whatever fantasy-fairy-land dream you'd like to live in... I agree its unfair to ridicule an individual for liking a shit band, but I didn't see any of that going on in this thread, and I'd rather correct a fallacy than have to cringe at some godawful comment while some poor adolescent out there is alone and confused as to if his favorite band should be considered a genuine "guilty pleasure" or not.
Not try'n to break your balls or anything, but looking down on what happens naturally when Metal is discussed is naive secularism (that ties in to the whole bitter thing), and when you admit to having those unrealistic goals about how you wanted the discussion to go, its kinda hard to not take a shit on'ya. Grin

I'm not saying all elitists are unrelenting holes, but some of them are. I  hope I'm not being perceived as one, but I really hate any owner of a tall horse...
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2009, 03:52:08 PM »

Finally, Someone talking some sense. <3

Also lol at dragon force.

Lol at what you like too, very mature.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2009, 07:08:17 PM »

Sounding pretty pretentious there, champ.
The supposed "arguing and bickering" that your so disgusted with here is laughable. I've seen people type out 2,000 word essays trying to refute one another over the painfully obvious, people desperately quote mining in hopes of throwing their opponent off-guard through the power of a misguided temporary mindf*ck, and even kids getting bashed off their favorite sites because they themselves can't even scrap together an explanation as to why they think one subgenre emits a vibe of musically integral validity over (or on-par with) other sub-genres that just plain don't need excuses.

To assume all your fellow posters (like you) are cursed with the stigma of a criminally under-developed opinion when it comes to how Metal should be viewed in a social context, would be ridiculous, tedious, and above all; naive.
Conflicting ideas to the point of discrimination and prejudice? In Metal? Nawwww, who would have thought?....
Whenever you post a thread relating to metal (especially on a non-metal-specific forum, where there are no sub-forums to moderate/clarify your intentions), your automatically opening up a mammoth door to a myriad of discussion possibilities. Unfortunately, some of those possibilities will lead to disagreements, young Padawan, and naming your topic "Best Metal Band?" isn't exactly going to bias the odds against conflict... It most likely won't convey that you didn't want people to air who their favorite artist(s) is/are either...

Point is, it should be obvious that certain bands of the "core" persuasion arn't going to sit too well with fans of actual Metal, regardless of whatever fantasy-fairy-land dream you'd like to live in... I agree its unfair to ridicule an individual for liking a shit band, but I didn't see any of that going on in this thread, and I'd rather correct a fallacy than have to cringe at some godawful comment while some poor adolescent out there is alone and confused as to if his favorite band should be considered a genuine "guilty pleasure" or not.
Not try'n to break your balls or anything, but looking down on what happens naturally when Metal is discussed is naive secularism (that ties in to the whole bitter thing), and when you admit to having those unrealistic goals about how you wanted the discussion to go, its kinda hard to not take a shit on'ya. Grin

I'm not saying all elitists are unrelenting holes, but some of them are. I  hope I'm not being perceived as one, but I really hate any owner of a tall horse...

Bravo t, bravo. You can make a case for a good argument. But as for your so called "elitism" theory, i find it blantantly ironic that for all that you have said, you despise/dont want to be a so called 'elitist.' Problem is, you act, speak, and genuinely are an unrelenting hole. So by posting on this thread, you have, in yourself, become what you started off not wanting to be in the first place.

I can agree with some of what you say, but as for me being the one that made a mistake in naming the topic on a 'non-metal forum.' Many of the people on this site listen to metal, so there are pelnty of good opinions/ideas on what metal is and how it is defined. Which is another thing, you and severed bashed all the bands that were presented in the previous posts, yet just like Severed, you did not post any of the 'metal' bands that you listen to or enjoy listening to. Which kinda defeats the entire purpose of your arguement, just like Severed. If you are going to debate on a topic, you must provide background as to why your views are the way they are, and with this topic, that would be why the bands are garbage, and why your bands are better.Which was something you did not even attempt to complete.

As for the whole 'breaking my balls' and 'shitting' on me. Im simply posting my ideas of how this topic should have gone and how i wanted it to go, ignoring the title, because if you have the capability of being literate, my first post tells you exaclty how i wanted the topic to go. I wanted other peoples ideas on metal, not bashing bands and arguing with each other, which is what this has become. I dont mind debating, but you have to have the tolerance, and be able to hear the other person's beliefs/opinions before you simply put them down and, as you would put it, 'shit' on them.

Basically what im trying to say is that your arguement about metal can be accepted if you can but answer this one question...

How do you define metal?

If you can answer that question, i will accept your arguement and move on with the proper posting on this topic.
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2009, 12:51:53 AM »

There are so many kinds of metal and a lot of bands. My personal favs are dark tranquility and Kalmah
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