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Title: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 01, 2009, 05:56:52 AM
This is just a topic to see if anyone else listens to metal like i do. I would have to say my fav metal band would most likely be either As I Lay Dying or All That Remains. If we are talking like old school metal, then its definetly gotta be Metallica. They are undoubtedly the best long-lasting metal band, considering they have lasted almost three decades together and havent broken up at all.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: CreatorOfBoredom on June 01, 2009, 02:18:44 PM
Does psychedelic metal count? If it does, then ikd-sj would be my choice.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: snake289 on June 01, 2009, 02:49:51 PM
Metallica and even better before they sold out  :-\


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: DonArska on June 01, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
Teräsbetoni definetly. It will kick your ass!


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 01, 2009, 03:20:41 PM
Does psychedelic metal count? If it does, then ikd-sj would be my choice.

Any kind of metal counts, so yes. But if you listen to that, then you must enjoy listening to a tradiional metal band, right?


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: HollowDante on June 01, 2009, 06:24:29 PM
Bullet For My Valentine , Especially the song: suffocating under words of sorrow BFMV FTW!!!!!!! ;D


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 01, 2009, 06:28:52 PM
I love BFMV as well. My favorite song from them would have to be Hearts Burst Into Fire, effin love that song dude  8)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Tormentor on June 01, 2009, 06:36:51 PM
I like Britney Spears a lot.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 01, 2009, 06:47:52 PM
You too!!!  :D I just love her hit me baby one more time song....... *cough* sarcasm *cough*


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on June 08, 2009, 11:13:45 AM
Nothing more to say.
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yliJqCXxKY0

oldschool
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGvDSuycarg


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ZephyrVidar on June 08, 2009, 04:50:51 PM
While I can't say I'm a fan of a lot of heavy metal, it's more like I enjoy specific songs from specific groups. Groups like Killswitch Engage and The Darkness have some songs that I enjoy.

If you want to go the route of groups that I enjoy a good deal of their music, we'd have to pick groups like Korn, Linkin Park, and System of a Down. Don't say that Korn and Linkin Park are not metal, as they are classified as nu metal, which is a subgenre of metal.

I also enjoy even older, more established groups like Alice in Chains and Faith No More.

And of course, you can't really go wrong with Metallica.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 08, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
This is just a topic to see if anyone else listens to metal like i do. I would have to say my fav metal band would most likely be either As I Lay Dying or All That Remains. If we are talking like old school metal, then its definetly gotta be Metallica. They are undoubtedly the best long-lasting metal band, considering they have lasted almost three decades together and havent broken up at all.
As I lay dying and all that remains shouldn't even be considered metal. They're just horrible. Metallica were okay but really, now their just another mediocre band.

Bullet For My Valentine , Especially the song: suffocating under words of sorrow BFMV FTW!!!!!!! ;D

Bullet for my valentine ARENT metal. No. Stop it. No.


Also, Yes I can say that linkin park aren't metal. I put them in the category of crap. Total unadulterated crap.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ZephyrVidar on June 08, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
You know, just because you personally don't consider something to be in a specific category does not mean that it is not that category.

You do realize that there are subgenres to metal, right? Just because you may consider something like black metal, death metal, or gothic metal to be "metal," does not mean that subgenres like alternative metal, nu metal, or grunge are not metal.

The world is not as black and white as you may think.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 08, 2009, 07:32:56 PM
While I can't say I'm a fan of a lot of heavy metal, it's more like I enjoy specific songs from specific groups. Groups like Killswitch Engage and The Darkness have some songs that I enjoy.

If you want to go the route of groups that I enjoy a good deal of their music, we'd have to pick groups like Korn, Linkin Park, and System of a Down. Don't say that Korn and Linkin Park are not metal, as they are classified as nu metal, which is a subgenre of metal.

I also enjoy even older, more established groups like Alice in Chains and Faith No More.

And of course, you can't really go wrong with Metallica.

Killswitch Engage is a good band, one of the only bands that i have gone on a road trip to see in concert.
Korn is classified as nu metal, but as for Linkin Park, they are classified as rap metal on their old stuff, their newer stuff would be considered rock. System of a Down is also a good band, but wouldnt necessarily consider them metal, even though they are classified as a metal-ish band.
Alice in Chains is a good band, but they are not classified as a metal band, they are classified as an Alternative band like Nirvana (my favorite band, but hate the new shit like Lake of Fire) Kurt Cobain FTW!!!

@Severed- so you didnt post your favorite metal band, which gives you no right to bash others if you do not give out your defense by providing a band that you believe is "better." So your arguement becomes null and void. If you say which band you like, then we can assess whether or not your band is "better."


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on June 09, 2009, 12:00:51 PM
Honestly guys. severed is right to a specific point. Everything you hear cant be called metal.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 09, 2009, 04:05:20 PM
Honestly guys. severed is right to a specific point. Everything you hear cant be called metal.

I agree with him to a certain extent as well. I would not classify Korn or Linkin Park as "metal" because they do not embody the typical, original style of metal. But not all metal should be classified as screaming or singing in a really low voice. I prefer the old metal like Matallica and Black Sabbath, but thats just me. As for the newer stuff, there are so many genres nowadays, that anything can be classified as being metal-ish. Severed is right on a few things, but completely wrong on some as well.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 10, 2009, 08:31:18 PM
No, I'm completely right.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Tormentor on June 10, 2009, 09:36:28 PM
No, I'm completely right.

Qft.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ZephyrVidar on June 10, 2009, 10:31:43 PM
Meh, I suppose there are people who believe that their opinion is fact on just about every website you go on... ::)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: eScenCe on June 12, 2009, 03:33:02 PM
Up the Irons Dudes ^_^

http://www.metalflirt.de/community/profil/escence/music

Follow the link for a few bands I really enjoy :D


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: tbroaofbtvohfm on June 13, 2009, 02:09:32 AM
I agree with Severed (except on the Metallica thing, they've been crap since '87).
Metal's only subjective on the most primitive of levels, musical value is determined by the collective subjective opinions that ultimately result in an objective set of fundamental rules/facts. That means; All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter.

Anyway, I always thought it was weird that some people are able to choose one favorite band.
I can't do it, but if anyone's not already checked out The Mentors (http://www.myspace.com/thementors), start with their early material.
(http://pancakesyrup.forumotion.net/users/43/78/71/smiles/92976.jpg)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Luneth on June 13, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
I agree with Severed (except on the Metallica thing, they've been crap since '87).
Metal's only subjective on the most primitive of levels, musical value is determined by the collective subjective opinions that ultimately result in an objective set of fundamental rules/facts. That means; All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter.

Anyway, I always thought it was weird that some people are able to choose one favorite band.
I can't do it, but if anyone's not already checked out The Mentors (http://www.myspace.com/thementors), start with their early material.
(http://pancakesyrup.forumotion.net/users/43/78/71/smiles/92976.jpg)

Having said that, those 'rules' clearly do apply to some types of music, and no matter of objectiveness can make a song from an rtist like, Chris Brown, Britteny Spears or Beyonce a metal track.

My favourite metal band is either Power Quest or Dragonforce, I love power metal.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 13, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
I agree with Severed (except on the Metallica thing, they've been crap since '87).
Metal's only subjective on the most primitive of levels, musical value is determined by the collective subjective opinions that ultimately result in an objective set of fundamental rules/facts. That means; All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter.

Anyway, I always thought it was weird that some people are able to choose one favorite band.
I can't do it, but if anyone's not already checked out The Mentors (http://www.myspace.com/thementors), start with their early material.
(http://pancakesyrup.forumotion.net/users/43/78/71/smiles/92976.jpg)

Finally, Someone talking some sense. <3

Also lol at dragon force.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: DarkWater2 on June 13, 2009, 07:08:57 PM
Metallica, yep they have been crap for awhile, they sang a song (Whiplash) saying they never stop, WELL YOU DID STOP!!!  Well here some the bands I listen to, Strapping Young Lad, 3 Inches of Blood, Fear Factory, Morbid Angel, Annihilator, Anthrax, Arch Enemy and Sepultura.  Theres more but meh dont want to type them all xD :P


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on June 14, 2009, 02:05:25 PM
Its impossible for me to say whats the best metal band of all times! Thats a question no one can answer and everyone that can answer whats his ultimate favourite band is a idiot or a fanboy and has no own thoughts.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 15, 2009, 07:05:01 AM
Wow.....
I created this topic so that people can put down the type of metal they enjoy listening to. I didnt expect everyone to go off on each other and act like complete politicans just arguing and bickering but never getting their points across. Everyone has their own opinions, and in this country, unfortunetly sometimes, people have a right to say/do/listen to what they want. While i may not agree on some of the bands everyone listens to, i still open up a new tab for youtube and listen to some of the bands that are listed on this topic, just to get a taste of the different styles of music and see what other people are in to. Notice i didnt pick a favorite band nor did i ask anyone to. I simply asked for anyone to post what metal band they enjoyed listening to, and i gave a few of mine. People who say they have a favorite band isnt bc there are fanboys or have no thoughts, it because somehow, that band has found a way to get at the person to their very core when it comes to music, and satisfy the human urge to listen to music. There will always be music, and many different kinds of music at that. Everyone will never agree completely on which music is the best, or which band is the best. Tolerance is something that people dont seem to have these days, and i find it pathetic that people cant accept/tolerate other people's opinioins/beliefs. But thats just me ranting so ya. I just wanted a topic to chat about all the different kinds of metal bc i love music, not argue with everyone, thats all.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: tbroaofbtvohfm on June 15, 2009, 11:38:36 AM
Wow.....
I created this topic so that people can put down the type of metal they enjoy listening to. I didnt expect everyone to go off on each other and act like complete politicans just arguing and bickering but never getting their points across. Everyone has their own opinions, and in this country, unfortunetly sometimes, people have a right to say/do/listen to what they want. While i may not agree on some of the bands everyone listens to, i still open up a new tab for youtube and listen to some of the bands that are listed on this topic, just to get a taste of the different styles of music and see what other people are in to. Notice i didnt pick a favorite band nor did i ask anyone to. I simply asked for anyone to post what metal band they enjoyed listening to, and i gave a few of mine. People who say they have a favorite band isnt bc there are fanboys or have no thoughts, it because somehow, that band has found a way to get at the person to their very core when it comes to music, and satisfy the human urge to listen to music. There will always be music, and many different kinds of music at that. Everyone will never agree completely on which music is the best, or which band is the best. Tolerance is something that people dont seem to have these days, and i find it pathetic that people cant accept/tolerate other people's opinioins/beliefs. But thats just me ranting so ya. I just wanted a topic to chat about all the different kinds of metal bc i love music, not argue with everyone, thats all.
Sounding pretty pretentious there, champ.
The supposed "arguing and bickering" that your so disgusted with here is laughable. I've seen people type out 2,000 word essays trying to refute one another over the painfully obvious, people desperately quote mining in hopes of throwing their opponent off-guard through the power of a misguided temporary mindf*ck, and even kids getting bashed off their favorite sites because they themselves can't even scrap together an explanation as to why they think one subgenre emits a vibe of musically integral validity over (or on-par with) other sub-genres that just plain don't need excuses.

To assume all your fellow posters (like you) are cursed with the stigma of a criminally under-developed opinion when it comes to how Metal should be viewed in a social context, would be ridiculous, tedious, and above all; naive.
Conflicting ideas to the point of discrimination and prejudice? In Metal? Nawwww, who would have thought?....(http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Whenever you post a thread relating to metal (especially on a non-metal-specific forum, where there are no sub-forums to moderate/clarify your intentions), your automatically opening up a mammoth door to a myriad of discussion possibilities. Unfortunately, some of those possibilities will lead to disagreements, young Padawan, and naming your topic "Best Metal Band?" isn't exactly going to bias the odds against conflict... It most likely won't convey that you didn't want people to air who their favorite artist(s) is/are either...

Point is, it should be obvious that certain bands of the "core" persuasion arn't going to sit too well with fans of actual Metal, regardless of whatever fantasy-fairy-land dream you'd like to live in... I agree its unfair to ridicule an individual for liking a shit band, but I didn't see any of that going on in this thread, and I'd rather correct a fallacy than have to cringe at some godawful comment while some poor adolescent out there is alone and confused as to if his favorite band should be considered a genuine "guilty pleasure" or not.
Not try'n to break your balls or anything, but looking down on what happens naturally when Metal is discussed is naive secularism (that ties in to the whole bitter thing), and when you admit to having those unrealistic goals about how you wanted the discussion to go, its kinda hard to not take a shit on'ya. ;D

I'm not saying all elitists are unrelenting holes, but some of them are. I  hope I'm not being perceived as one, but I really hate any owner of a tall horse...


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Luneth on June 15, 2009, 03:52:08 PM
Finally, Someone talking some sense. <3

Also lol at dragon force.

Lol at what you like too, very mature.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 15, 2009, 07:08:17 PM
Sounding pretty pretentious there, champ.
The supposed "arguing and bickering" that your so disgusted with here is laughable. I've seen people type out 2,000 word essays trying to refute one another over the painfully obvious, people desperately quote mining in hopes of throwing their opponent off-guard through the power of a misguided temporary mindf*ck, and even kids getting bashed off their favorite sites because they themselves can't even scrap together an explanation as to why they think one subgenre emits a vibe of musically integral validity over (or on-par with) other sub-genres that just plain don't need excuses.

To assume all your fellow posters (like you) are cursed with the stigma of a criminally under-developed opinion when it comes to how Metal should be viewed in a social context, would be ridiculous, tedious, and above all; naive.
Conflicting ideas to the point of discrimination and prejudice? In Metal? Nawwww, who would have thought?....(http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Whenever you post a thread relating to metal (especially on a non-metal-specific forum, where there are no sub-forums to moderate/clarify your intentions), your automatically opening up a mammoth door to a myriad of discussion possibilities. Unfortunately, some of those possibilities will lead to disagreements, young Padawan, and naming your topic "Best Metal Band?" isn't exactly going to bias the odds against conflict... It most likely won't convey that you didn't want people to air who their favorite artist(s) is/are either...

Point is, it should be obvious that certain bands of the "core" persuasion arn't going to sit too well with fans of actual Metal, regardless of whatever fantasy-fairy-land dream you'd like to live in... I agree its unfair to ridicule an individual for liking a shit band, but I didn't see any of that going on in this thread, and I'd rather correct a fallacy than have to cringe at some godawful comment while some poor adolescent out there is alone and confused as to if his favorite band should be considered a genuine "guilty pleasure" or not.
Not try'n to break your balls or anything, but looking down on what happens naturally when Metal is discussed is naive secularism (that ties in to the whole bitter thing), and when you admit to having those unrealistic goals about how you wanted the discussion to go, its kinda hard to not take a shit on'ya. ;D

I'm not saying all elitists are unrelenting holes, but some of them are. I  hope I'm not being perceived as one, but I really hate any owner of a tall horse...

Bravo t, bravo. You can make a case for a good argument. But as for your so called "elitism" theory, i find it blantantly ironic that for all that you have said, you despise/dont want to be a so called 'elitist.' Problem is, you act, speak, and genuinely are an unrelenting hole. So by posting on this thread, you have, in yourself, become what you started off not wanting to be in the first place.

I can agree with some of what you say, but as for me being the one that made a mistake in naming the topic on a 'non-metal forum.' Many of the people on this site listen to metal, so there are pelnty of good opinions/ideas on what metal is and how it is defined. Which is another thing, you and severed bashed all the bands that were presented in the previous posts, yet just like Severed, you did not post any of the 'metal' bands that you listen to or enjoy listening to. Which kinda defeats the entire purpose of your arguement, just like Severed. If you are going to debate on a topic, you must provide background as to why your views are the way they are, and with this topic, that would be why the bands are garbage, and why your bands are better.Which was something you did not even attempt to complete.

As for the whole 'breaking my balls' and 'shitting' on me. Im simply posting my ideas of how this topic should have gone and how i wanted it to go, ignoring the title, because if you have the capability of being literate, my first post tells you exaclty how i wanted the topic to go. I wanted other peoples ideas on metal, not bashing bands and arguing with each other, which is what this has become. I dont mind debating, but you have to have the tolerance, and be able to hear the other person's beliefs/opinions before you simply put them down and, as you would put it, 'shit' on them.

Basically what im trying to say is that your arguement about metal can be accepted if you can but answer this one question...

How do you define metal?

If you can answer that question, i will accept your arguement and move on with the proper posting on this topic.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: umbra1010 on June 16, 2009, 12:51:53 AM
There are so many kinds of metal and a lot of bands. My personal favs are dark tranquility and Kalmah


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: HollowDante on June 16, 2009, 05:38:49 PM
severed if you think bullet is crap, keep it for yourself


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 16, 2009, 05:50:49 PM
Lol at what you like too, very mature.

Well atleast what I listen to isn't overrated bullcocky like yours.

severed if you think bullet is crap, keep it for yourself
No I wont.

also tbroaofbtvohfm is my new favorite member. <3


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Luneth on June 16, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
Well atleast what I listen to isn't overrated bullcocky like yours.

I listen to Dragonforce because I like their sound, not because they are 'overrated'. The logic of you then saying "Well atleast what I listen to isn't overrated bullcocky like yours." makes you seem like a child in an argument with another child over who has the coolest watch for instance.

Child A: My watch glows in the dark
Child B: Well at least my watch costs more money!

Again, very mature.



Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 16, 2009, 07:10:58 PM
I listen to Dragonforce because I like their sound, not because they are 'overrated'. The logic of you then saying "Well atleast what I listen to isn't overrated bullcocky like yours." makes you seem like a child in an argument with another child over who has the coolest watch for instance.

Child A: My watch glows in the dark
Child B: Well at least my watch costs more money!

Again, very mature.

I never said you listen to it because its over rated. No one likes something because its overrated. Being overrated just gives something more of a reason to not like it. I'm just saying the band isn't as good as everyone who listens to it says it is. Their playing is mediocre.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Luneth on June 16, 2009, 08:30:58 PM
I never said you listen to it because its over rated. No one likes something because its overrated. Being overrated just gives something more of a reason to not like it. I'm just saying the band isn't as good as everyone who listens to it says it is. Their playing is mediocre.

No, you didn't say I listen to them because they're overrated, however, you DID say that Dragonforce are overrated, therefore you are suggesting that's why I listen to them, it's called reading between the lines. Furthermore "Their playing is mediocre." is your opinion, trying to enforce it upon me makes you elitist. Congratulations, you are an immature elitist, what a fantastic combination.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 16, 2009, 09:05:17 PM
No, you didn't say I listen to them because they're overrated, however, you DID say that Dragonforce are overrated, therefore you are suggesting that's why I listen to them, it's called reading between the lines. Furthermore "Their playing is mediocre." is your opinion, trying to enforce it upon me makes you elitist. Congratulations, you are an immature elitist, what a fantastic combination.

There was nothing between the lines. I said their overrated. I never thought that would be a reason for you to listen to them. That doesn't even make sense. And Being mediocre like how dragonforce is, is not an opinion. It's a fact that they're not as good as people say they are.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 16, 2009, 10:06:24 PM
The reason Dragonforce is popular is simply because they had the hardest song on Guitar Hero, thats why they got all the publicity.

@ Severed- if you think what they play is mediocore and terrible, i would like to see you strap on a REAL guitar and play some of their songs without missing a beat. You cant, they guitarist in the band have skill, of course they are no where near what Slash is, but they are still very good at playing their instrument.

I personally enjoy listening to Dragonforce every once in awhile, mostly whenever im playing games, good music to play games to. Trance is also another good genre to listen to whilst you own at a game lol.

Again Severed, you are projecting your opinions and beliefs, and completely disregarding everyone elses, unless they agree with you, thats why you like tbroaofbtvohfm, because he agrees with you. Honestly, i find it pathetic that you and him babble on about 'elitism' and 'i hate elitists' when you are one yourself. You have to accept other peoples opinion for what they are, even if you dont like/agree with them. If you choose to take the way you are taking as of now, then Luneth is correct, you are acting like an immature, petchulent child, and i pity you


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: tbroaofbtvohfm on June 16, 2009, 10:20:47 PM
Bravo t, bravo. You can make a case for a good argument. But as for your so called "elitism" theory, i find it blantantly ironic that for all that you have said, you despise/dont want to be a so called 'elitist.' Problem is, you act, speak, and genuinely are an unrelenting hole. So by posting on this thread, you have, in yourself, become what you started off not wanting to be in the first place.
Bravo to you for having the balls to actually respond then, and for using paragraphs instead of shooting your whole sudo not-so-honed wad of fail at once. But fail is fail, and here's how/why you failed:
There's nothing "ironic" about my views on elitism at all. Why would I type out a sentence with the tag line "All elitists are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are just bitter" if I didn't accept the fact that some (alot of) people might consider my opinions on metal to be elitist-like? I couldn't care less about what some stranger thinks of me when it comes to music, especially when I know they're wrong. I just said I hoped I wasn't being perceived as an hole/elitist/whatever, clearly you've drowned my hopes by this point for SoleO Snip3r the individual...
I can agree with some of what you say, but as for me being the one that made a mistake in naming the topic on a 'non-metal forum.' Many of the people on this site listen to metal, so there are pelnty of good opinions/ideas on what metal is and how it is defined.
You misinterpreted my meaning...
I meant the name of your topic was too broad, you could have made multiple threads pertaining to different sub-genres since there's no sub-forums in the music section for genres in general, let alone sub-genres of metal. It would have been more hassle, but I'm guessing you would have gotten a more satisfactory result than this one (if your complaining about it).
Which is another thing, you and severed bashed all the bands that were presented in the previous posts, yet just like Severed, you did not post any of the 'metal' bands that you listen to or enjoy listening to. Which kinda defeats the entire purpose of your argument, just like Severed. If you are going to debate on a topic, you must provide background as to why your views are the way they are, and with this topic, that would be why the bands are garbage, and why your bands are better.Which was something you did not even attempt to complete.
Ok, well you've now made it obvious that you didn't read my intial post at all, I'm guessing you just skimmed over the post that your responding to with the above text as well.
The only band I "bashed" in this thread was Metallica, who Severed kinda defended (in a way). I didn't post any bands that I enjoy listening to? I posted a f*cking link to the Mentor's main myspace page, hole. Don't try to correct me when you don't know what the f*ck your talking about, and don't tell me I have to "provide background" when I've already done more explaining than anybody else who's posted here before me.
The very fact that I recommended the goddamn Mentors should be enough to warrant a blowjob from every single mother/sister of the members who posted in this topic before me. They're hetero as f*ck, they're oldschool, they're music is called f*cking Rape Rock, they sing about killing glamfags and f*cking women, and they're music is kick-ass as shit. The Mentors is an undeniable Heavy Metal, and Metal band.

Metal is supposed to be Hetero-as-f*ck, Black Metal is supposed to be Evil, Death Metal has to be Heavy, Thrash's got to be fast'n badass, Grind has to be chaotic, Power Metal has to be powerful, and Doom has to be... Well, do I even have to say it?
There is no "core", there is no f*cking "slam", its all garbage and drivel if it doesn't bleed masculinity and intensity.
You want examples? Click on these:
Black Metal - Ravenclaw - Fan Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/ravenclawger) - Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/music/Ravenclaw)
Death Metal - Cancer - Fan Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/canceruk)
Thrash - Artillery - Fan Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/75271390)
Grind - Assuck - Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/assuckband)
Power - Attacker - Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/attackerband)
Doom - Acid Witch - Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/acidwitch)

All those bands pretty much sum up their respective genres, and they're all badass as shit.
You don't like'em, then you don't like Metal.
As for the whole 'breaking my balls' and 'shitting' on me. Im simply posting my ideas of how this topic should have gone and how i wanted it to go, ignoring the title, because if you have the capability of being literate, my first post tells you exactly how i wanted the topic to go.
(http://pancakesyrup.forumotion.net/users/43/78/71/smiles/462467.gif)
Right, and now I'm shitting on you for it, and you've failed at defending your "position".
I wanted other peoples ideas on metal, not bashing bands and arguing with each other, which is what this has become. I don't mind debating, but you have to have the tolerance, and be able to hear the other person's beliefs/opinions before you simply put them down and, as you would put it, 'shit' on them.
The only person I put down (now) was you, and I damn enjoyed it.
I was very tolerant of the shit opinions that others had posted before me, all I did was tell'em what I thought of the whining and where I think it all stems from. Again, the "band bashing and arguing" that went on here was extremely mild compared to the norm of specific "cater" metal sites like the ones I usually post on.
You're over-reacting dude, being the biggest cry-baby of them all only reflects why this topic was destined to fail in the first place.
Basically what im trying to say is that your arguement about metal can be accepted if you can but answer this one question...

How do you define metal?

If you can answer that question, i will accept your arguement and move on with the proper posting on this topic.
Piss off, I don't need your stamp of approval, or anyone else's for that matter.
I've been listening to metal long enough to know what the f*ck I'm talking about, and if you don't "accept" my assertions, then you've got some records to buy, kiddo.
Also, lul @ Faggotforce.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 17, 2009, 12:02:52 AM
Very good tbroaofbtvohfm , i honestly admire your passion to be proven right. I responded because, like yourself, i enjoy a good debate/arguement, disregarding whether or not i 'win.' I did miss the links you posted, my bad. As for the band bashing, i myself have also seem much worse on metal forums postings, but i just wanted people to list their preferred metal bands and what not, caring nothing for the 'sub-genres' and shit like that. Severed had bashed almost all the bands posted before him, and you agreed with his position. Which, to me, Meant that all the bands that were listed previously were also considered 'garbage' by you. My topic may have been too broad, but, as i stated before, my inital post on this topic stated that i wanted to know what other people enjoyed listening to, when it came to metal. Metal encompasses a shitload of different genres and bands alike, so i expected there to be hard-core listeners, much like yourself, and people who thought korn and linkin park where metal. The broadness was to get a sense of what everyone that posted thought was good music.

Piss off, I don't need your stamp of approval, or anyone else's for that matter.
I've been listening to metal long enough to know what the f*ck I'm talking about, and if you don't "accept" my assertions, then you've got some records to buy, kiddo.
Also, lul @ Faggotforce.

Simple answer, you cannot answer my question and take the 'f*ck off' approach. Because you and I both know that a genre of music is based SOLELY on OPINION, and cannot be classified by everyone the same. I can give you credit, you do know much about metal. I for one appluad you on the fact that you enjoy the music that most consider 'real metal' and not the really light shit that real metal fans look down upon. Im not giving nor denying you my approval. Just gave you a question over the topic which you think you know the most about, and you cannot provide a legitimate answer that applies to everyone. That was the point i was trying to get accross to Severed. Elitists have a fatal flaw, they cannot accept/agree with anyone else's opinions besides their own. While you make a very good and well thought out point, you still cant accept the fact that bands you dont like, are in fact, considered metal by some people. Dragonforce is a good example. They are considered by many to be metal, and many consider them rock/hard rock/whatever. You call them Faggotforce because you dont like them, but they are classified alongside some of the bands that you probably listen to.
I also agree with another one of your approaches. You can 'shit' on me all you like lol, i honestly dont give a rats-ass what some guy says to me over the internet. Your opinion can be expressed, but i dont agree with it completely, so im gonna say what i dont agree on. Whether you accept that or not is up to you, but im not 'whing' or 'bitching', just saying what i feel towards what has been said and posted here. As for the im the biggest whiny baby here, you only say that because im the only one here that has the balls to disagree with what you are saying. Most people would have read your first post and been like, "Holy shit, this guy is smart, i dnt want to f*ck with him." Some would have busted out a dictionary and looked up half the words you used because they didnt even know those words existed. I, however, enjoy a conversation/debate with someone that is intelligent, because stupid people frustrate/irk me. Your flaw is that you think you are completely right and know just about everything when it comes to metal. So you believe that anybody else's views and beliefs are inferior/idiotic. Im just saying i dont like people that are stuck-up/arrogant simply because they think they know everything about something, when in reality, they know specifics, not the totality of the subject. Thats all.

I like all of the bands that were posted on your comment, and listen to them frequently. I prefer some actual singing in the song, which is why i enjoy As I Lay Dying and All that Remains. However, i still enjoy a good thrashing song or a good Amon Amarth song here and there.
Buying records, hmm thats a good one. I havent bought a record since i was like 12, anyone with access to the internet can get all their music for free. As for the "Im mister big shot and i dont need a damn approval from anyone." Ahh i find it funny that your arrogance outweighs everything else. Also shows how self-centered you are, you think you know so much when it comes to metal. Sadly, you know very little, only certain aspects and portions of it. To jump to the conclusion that you know a shitload of what you are talking about, is quite pretentious on your part as well.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 17, 2009, 03:34:35 AM
The reason Dragonforce is popular is simply because they had the hardest song on Guitar Hero, thats why they got all the publicity.

@ Severed- if you think what they play is mediocore and terrible, i would like to see you strap on a REAL guitar and play some of their songs without missing a beat. You cant, they guitarist in the band have skill, of course they are no where near what Slash is, but they are still very good at playing their instrument.

I personally enjoy listening to Dragonforce every once in awhile, mostly whenever im playing games, good music to play games to. Trance is also another good genre to listen to whilst you own at a game lol.

Again Severed, you are projecting your opinions and beliefs, and completely disregarding everyone elses, unless they agree with you, thats why you like tbroaofbtvohfm, because he agrees with you. Honestly, i find it pathetic that you and him babble on about 'elitism' and 'i hate elitists' when you are one yourself. You have to accept other peoples opinion for what they are, even if you dont like/agree with them. If you choose to take the way you are taking as of now, then Luneth is correct, you are acting like an immature, petchulent child, and i pity you

I can not play what they play simply because, nigga, I don't play the guitar. Doesn't mean its skillfull. I can't swim very well doesn't mean that huge amounts of people can't do it easy enough. Playing fast does not mean your skillfull and being skillfull isn't even that important because in all honesty look at the music you hear on the radio and tell me it required some skill to make. I'd rather take a good sounding ambient song instead of a bunch of chords played really quickly that sound like a bunch of bullcocky. In all honesty, almost every single song they play sounds the same. Sure they can play the guitar but when they can only play the same stuff then I don't see why they have fans.

Also, I just like tbroaofbtvohfm because hes a sexy beast and because I <3 him.

Also, If you want a list of bands I like...

Demelich
Naked City
PainKiller
Ruins
magrudergrind
Sleep

Just some stuff off the top of my head.

(Finally this is turning into a real music section.)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: tbroaofbtvohfm on June 17, 2009, 03:55:00 AM
Simple answer, you cannot answer my question and take the 'f*ck off' approach. Because you and I both know that a genre of music is based SOLELY on OPINION, and cannot be classified by everyone the same. I can give you credit, you do know much about metal. I for one appluad you on the fact that you enjoy the music that most consider 'real metal' and not the really light shit that real metal fans look down upon. Im not giving nor denying you my approval. Just gave you a question over the topic which you think you know *the most about, and you cannot provide a legitimate answer that applies to everyone.
^If you had worded this in any other way, I would have taken the above as sarcasm.
Are you nuts? I answered your question in the third block of text down of my reply where I described the criteria I thought needed to be predominant in music for it to be considered actual Metal. I really thought that was obvious with all those bands and links in there too...
I only quoted the end bit of your post because I felt oddly obligated to after including everything else, + that was the only part that genuinely pissed me off a little (I don't really shine while responding to what I see as condescendence). I didn't think it would lead to any confusion.

*I'm not sure what you meant by "the most about", whether you meant it as a precursor-esque suggestive stab at my alleged ego-centric character (which is somthing you so enthusiasticly tell us all about later) or an observation aired out of the desire to cram as much text into your post as possible, like what I'm doing now, and now, and now, and now.  ;)
That was the point i was trying to get accross to Severed. Elitists have a fatal flaw, they cannot accept/agree with anyone else's opinions besides their own. While you make a very good and well thought out point, you still cant accept the fact that bands you dont like, are in fact, considered metal by some people. Dragonforce is a good example. They are considered by many to be metal, and many consider them rock/hard rock/whatever. You call them Faggotforce because you dont like them, but they are classified alongside some of the bands that you probably listen to.
I see things very differently...
Elitists stick to their views (after forming them) because they've listened around (usually for years'n years), heard all your favorite bands, went back and listened to their favorite bands, and decided something was wrong.
I'm sure you've noticed that there arn't many "metalcore" elitists out there, I doubt there's many BFMV fans out there who could call Immolation a bunch of shit-fake poserfag no talents, then produce a long, accurate, valid list of why their band is "better". Opinion plays an extremely silent back-row oriented role in dictating what's actual, or, "real" in Metal. Opinions are just there to decide what group you belong to.

The laws of gravity and the rules of metal are both absolute, if you decide to ignore the laws of gravity, then your going to fall into a f*cking chasm and die.
Likewise, if you decide to go ahead and listen to some godawful kittiecore bullshit, then claim it should be ranked up there with the likes of Abscess and Impetigo, your going to get a truck load of shit and bashing thrown your way.
The people who would use the words "Dragonforce" and "Attacker" in the same breath don't know what they're talking about. If you can't distinguish between looped, vain, generic wankery and true badass riffs'n song structures, then you must be deaf. It's not a matter of just "not liking them" either, there's something all the bands I enjoy have in common, regardless and outside of genres altogether, there's a certain indescribable feeling of lacking in the whole "disingenuous overtones" department. Bands like Dragonforce and Trivium have no substance at all, same goes for all these modern "b00t4l3" T3H S1AM'N!!!1! "Death" Metal bands, its all regurgitated bullshit re-packed and shiny to perpetuate nostalgia among young, stupid teenagers.

Bottom line, there is such a thing as "true" and "untrue" bands whether you like it or not, whether I like it or not, whether the adolescent idiots who do the power ranger dance to Waking the Cadavear like it or not, and (probably most importantly) whether the elitists of the world like it or not.
Your flaw is that you think you are completely right and know just about everything when it comes to metal. So you believe that anybody else's views and beliefs are inferior/idiotic. *Im just saying i dont like people that are stuck-up/arrogant simply because they think they know everything about something, when in reality, they know specifics, not the totality of the subject. Thats all.
Wrong.
I only claim to know what I need to know, and what every person who wants to call they're favored bands "metal": The facts.
*LOL! You make me sound like I'm a punky high school kid leeching off his parents while rebelling and telling them they're wrong all the time with that comment. I'm not arrogant at all, if you think I'm being unreasonable, that's fine, but throwing inaccurate assessments about my character into the gelatinous orgy that is your argument will only diminish my interest in this discussion (and not fuel any neanderthal-like anger that you think might shine through in my responses, it's an old tired ploy and I won't fall for it again ;D).
Buying records, hmm thats a good one. I havent bought a record since i was like 12, anyone with access to the internet can get all their music for free. As for the "Im mister big shot and i dont need a damn approval from anyone." Ahh i find it funny that your arrogance outweighs everything else. Also shows how self-centered you are, you think you know so much when it comes to metal. Sadly, you know very little, only certain aspects and portions of it. To jump to the conclusion that you know a shitload of what you are talking about, is quite pretentious on your part as well.
Ouch.
Well I guess if my "arrogance" out-weighs everything else, then that would mean it out-weighs the validity of what I've been insisting, it out-weighs any reason I might have for posting my thoughts (except for maybe selfishness) , it out-weighs my consistent delivery, and it out-weighs... Well, like you said; EVERYTHING.
Why then would I entertain your incessant meanderings after seeing how severely misguided you are in your sad, depraved, filthy, puny little backwards metalcore-loving world, so shockingly plain compared to my supremely epic fortress of undeniably  TRUE, REAL, and FANTASTICLY HETERO METAL BRILLIANCE!!!??? A'HAHAHA! I AM TRUELY GREATER THAN ALL YOU DISGUSTING TINY PATHETIC WORMS! YOU ARE ALL WORMS I TELL YOU! f*ckING WORMS COMPARED TO ME AND MY METALNESS!!! ALL HAIL HIGH LORD TBROAOFBTVOHFM!! SUPREME RULER OF ALL THAT IS TRVE IN THIS REALM!
MUHAHAHAhAHahAhaHaha-Wha? Where am I? Huh? Whats all this cap'd text?
lul, ok enough with the bullshit.

It sounds to me like your deriving this "you think you know everything, but you only know some stuff about specific stuff" from my disapproval for bands you personally like, more than anything else. I've come across this before, people think they can "understand" what metal is "about" just because they listen to a more varied spectrum of bands. The impression I'm left with after interacting with those people is one of disgust and pity. That kind of thinking is kindled by an under-developed taste (in most cases), and I don't see how anyone over 16 could ever listen to an old Beherit album, then put on some "Beneath the Massacre" bullshit and still bang they're head (unless they were a late-metal bloomer or w/e).

Elitists (which I hate saying/typing because I know referring to myself as one really must make me sound like a complete hole) have generally listened to almost everything available out there, or at least every style and denomination of what others might call "metal". They notice the distinct differences (that might not always be obvious to casual listeners) between the two main schools of bands (you'll know exactly what I mean if you've read my other comments in this post) and they choose the group of bands they prefer. Its a very long and very tedious process that goes on subconsciously behind the curtains of every head that yurns to bang.
Now, unlike you, I'm not going to tell you you don't understand something.
But I will tell you why I think those who get "bashed" by elitists are so bitter about hearing their favorite bands being called "faggots" in'aww'at: They're jealous.
The casual/indifferent listener is jealous of the dedication, convictions, and twisted "glamor" of the elitist, and what being an elitist means. It may not be at the forefront of every butthurt Dimmu Borgir fan's mind when he fills his angry venom-filled reply with swear words and ad hominems, but its a jealousy that's been bubbling deep within his belly since the dawn of time, even though as far as he knows, it doesn't exist.
Bubbling right beside this jealousy, is a realization. A realization that the hole elitist on the other end was struck by only a few years before, and now he's using it to his advantage to spin circles around the nostalgia drunk Dimmu fan...

So yeh... Either those explanations went right over your head, you think I'm some sort of terrible monster, or you finally get what I'm trying to say.
Once you recognize that there are objective facts and "rules" that apply to Metal (just like everything else in the world), I think you'll back off on the whole "its all music" mantra (although my intention was never to sway you).

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Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 17, 2009, 07:38:23 AM
You may have given your definition of what you would consider metal in the previous post, but that definition pertains ONLY to yourself. Ive understood where you stand on metal and how/what you think metal is. You just dont seem to comprehend what im trying to get across. My point in this discussion was to show that your beliefs and views on metal only pertain to yourself, nobody else.
Yes, metal does have some norms and criteria to meet to be considered metal, you dont exactly see someone like Madonna even slightly being considered metal. I understnad that aspect of the situation, most people, including myself, wouldnt even consider disreagarding classifying a band as metal if they were say like Amon Amarth. They are definetly not pop, hip hop, or any of that other pussy-ass crap that gets blasted all over the radio because so many queers enjoy their pathetic voices/beats.
To say that opinions are sitting 'back-seat' is another pretentious accuasation. Bands make their money off of fans, not based upon whether they think their music is the shit or not. The opinions of the listeners/fans help to make a band what it is and to attract more followers. Opinion play a vital role, maybe not so much in the actual music production, but definetly in the distribution of that music.
I personally never agreed with the claim that 'kittie-core' bands like likin park and korn should be considered metal, and i actually refuted the claims because i for one dont think they even scratch the surface when it comes to being a metal band. But that is only what i think, and others think differently.
I agree with you in that most bands these days do not have any sort of substance, but (i cant seem to emphasize this enough huh? lol ;)) but that is only the belief of the listener. I may think that a band like Linkin Park is shit, but to someone else, they tatoo their album covers on themselves and never miss a concert. (Quite frankly i think that is one of the dumbest ideas ever)
Bashing is always going to happen and i can accept that, its never going to disipate because humans have a tendecy to never be able to agree on a damn thing. I didnt mind it in this topic, but if your going to bash every band on here (Severed) and not produce a reason as to why you think that, or even your own preferred music to back that up, is simply childish.
As for the arrogance thing, anyone would say you are arrogant simply by the way you speak about yourself and others. You have constantly put me down in this topic, way before i ever made an assement/judgement of your character. Showing you believe my ideas/beliefs are inferior to your own. If im not mistaken, that would be arrogance, and you got plenty man. Arrogance is a tribute i would never want to have, and if it works for you, thats cool. Elitist get alot of shit for the way they act towards others and how they rank their thought higher over others. So while my arguments/posts/whatever may not be as intelligent/belittling/persuading as yours, i can still step back from this and accept the fact that someone's beliefs may be better than mine.
You know more than i do pertaining to metal, ill give you that. Im more of a computer/numbers guy, yes i know its nerdy but look at Bill Gates and tell me he isnt a man. Im just discouraged because of the fact that no matter what, i will always be wrong because elitists never concede or agree with someone else's claims. I gave up trying to 'sway' you along time ago, i realized it would be a hopeless attempt at trying to show someone the faults in their ways.
As i told you before, the reason that i am the only one combating you in this discussion, is because im the only one that is most likely understanding what you are saying, and trying to express my own ideas to you. Ive known the whole 'rules' for metal whenever i first started listening to metal when i was in like the 7th grade. Disturbed was my gateway into metal, and although i dont really listen to their music much anymore, i still have to give them the credit for introducing me into the f*cking awesomeness that is metal. I like metal just as much as the next guy, and i will listen to it til the day that my body winds up in a morgue. Hopefully my point is 'worthy' enough to be considered by you, the 'elitist' (love calling you that, makes me happy whenever you defend your elitist position and how you wish people didnt think you were a relenting hole, look i said it again!  :D) because if i can at least get you to examine my views, i have done my job. Whether or not you accept them is completely obselete to me and i could care less, but as long as you are aware of where i stand and what my views are, im good  ;D


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Mod245 on June 17, 2009, 08:48:17 AM
:facepalm:

Play nice kids. Stick to the topic : Best metal bands. It isn't called arguing about metal.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on June 17, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
:facepalm:

Play nice kids. Stick to the topic : Best metal bands. It isn't called arguing about metal.

Thats the problem Mod. Its impossible to discuss about music.. its like luneth said - somewhere in this massive ammount of text - child A and child B. I am not only listen to metal or have any favourite bands there. Lots of it is good, except pop-metal music from 2000-2010 that you can hear in the charts.
The same for politics.. its not possible to discuss politics in any way between two opponents.
The Blackmetal dudes hear deathmetal and rant about powermetal, chartmetal or Kiss *laugh*. The deathmetal dudes dont like blackmetal and chartmetal but lots of em love classic music. The chartmetal dudes dont know anything about the good old bands and rant against everything that isnt their favourite band. The sad thing is that they mostly have only one chartmetalband they like or slipknot *laugh* And whats with the alternative rock fans? They seem run to run away from hearing pink floyd in a rockcaffe b/c its to hard for them. *laugh* Some of em like iron maiden but cant handle old stuff from metallica (the first 3 albums of course). I heard that some of them are scared from ozzy osbourne... and the vikingguys like blackmetal or have big sword at home.. somethings more like a flammberg or a old dagger from the dritte reich. But not all of em.. ohh and did you ever heard deatmal on marijuana? Dont miss it.
Well now i wrote a long text without content like all the other long texts before and I fulfilled my goal to get 100 credits and I am officialy pimped to be inside the hall of fame of long-text-writing-users. And now start to post metalvideos and never start to discuss about anything else! Only metalvideos! lets go!!!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1Bmq83Ce0

but I know the answer.. its all the fault of some brutal angressive songs that all metalfans going crazy ;) I love it!


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: tbroaofbtvohfm on June 17, 2009, 05:49:21 PM
*Sigh*
Well I guess we're done here then.
You've decided to completely ignore my points, even though I've layed them out as best I could.
Don't tell me I don't "comprehend" what you've been "trying to tell me all along", I'm well aware of which anvil you've been (feverishly) banging, and have been this entire time. You claim (at first) that every aspect of Metal (and any opinion that could be formed about metal) is purely subjective when it comes to decidedly defining whats "good" or not. I  rejected your drivel and refuted that idea altogether by stressing and repeating my points on the "rules"/"facts" of actual Metal.

But since you've been so keen to point out my "flaws" all throughout our exchange, I guess I should give it a go now, hmm? You insist all my views on Metal apply to me, myself, and only me and that's all I can see. That's an extremely difficult position to defend without enlisting the help of any corroborators to speed your assertions home. Why should my opinions be welcomed with more skepticism than yours? Because they're more radical? More selective? In other words, why are you right while I'm wrong?
You've contradicted yourself in the most epic way possible, if  the strongest argument you can conjure up is "ur arrogant dood", then it should be obvious that you've already lost (but I guess that won't bother you since apparently you don't care about that)...

So now I'll just have to assume that you've been arguing against the existence of objectivity in Metal instead.
Judging by the bands you've been using in your examples, it would appear that you know less about the subject than you let on. Saying Korn and Lincoln Park arn't Metal bands wouldn't exactly be a profound revelation in my book, and Amon Amarth easily falls into the "queerbait garbage" catagory for alot of people out there (including myself).
Believe it or not, I've not been referring to the most primordial levels of "whats metal and whats not" at all so far.
Its common knowledge that bands like Korn and Disturbed aren't metal, I've been talking about bands who are considered to be "Metal" (like Amon Amarth and Dragonforce) by casual listeners, when really, its just a bunch of modern-sounding faggotry.

^I really hope that didn't need to be explained, because if so, you've got alot of rereading to do...
In my last two posts I have:
Given you examples.
Given you situations.
(And) I've given you several explanations.
Did I back up my theories with literal empirical evidence? No. But Neither did you, and I didn't exactly come to a conclusion about  my realization of the facts on a whim.
Truth is, I don't see myself as an elitist at all, I may refer to myself and the like-minded individuals around me as "elitists", but that's mainly to humor you while I pick apart the flimsy soft tissue of your argument. Do you really think I haven't been in your shoes before? Are you under the impression that all my ideas about Meal have been with me since birth?
No.
I used to sympathise with, and even defend the same position your defending right now. I used to think "Metal is Metal and its all music anyway, even if some of it is bad". Maybe "maturity" played some part in my uncovering of the truth, or maybe it was the new-found love for BM that I had just experienced (back then). Either way, there's no real merit in disputing the authenticities of what have (now) been mutually recognized as demi-god-like (to the objective) subjective perspectives...

By this point, I think its safe to say that we're not going to get anywhere with the way things are going (and the way certain aspects of the discussion are being ignored)...
There was some other things you mentioned that I don't have time to cover here, I've got friends/relatives visiting from Glasgow for two weeks who'll be arriving today, so obviously I'll be too busy/shit-faced to give you any decent responses. That's by no means a copp-out of any sort, but I'd strongly urge you to refer back (at least) to my last post before moving forward with any responce you might have for me in regards to what I've just said here.

I'd also like you to watch this (below) video in its entirety.
It was made by a friend of mine in responce to an extremely irritable kid who wouldn't shut up about deathcore's supposed "validity". At first glance, it may seem like a fairly straight forward "bash" video, but beneath all the ad hominems and use of the word "faggot", he makes some damn good points, especially near the end.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhk-k6XKK08

(You'll have to ignore the specific names mentioned too).
That's all for now 'folks. 8)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on June 17, 2009, 07:09:22 PM
:facepalm:

Play nice kids. Stick to the topic : Best metal bands. It isn't called arguing about metal.

Mod, Shut your mouth. You're ruining a perfectly good music argument.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Mod245 on June 17, 2009, 07:45:09 PM
Mod, Shut your mouth. You're ruining a perfectly good music argument.

:-3.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 17, 2009, 09:14:49 PM
Alright then t, i guess out discussion is over  :-X apparently we are 2 children having an argument that has about the same significance as to who put the cat in the microwave  :-3 but thats fine, i had fun humoring you and then you returning the favor.

But i liked to video, and i told u i agreed with some of your points, just not all of them. I read your texts, and didnt ignore anything. If i didnt post about a certain thing you mentioned previously, then i already understand what was said and gotten on with what i didnt particulary agree with. I realize i have flaws in my views, everyone does, and everyone always will. Biased is something that will always be around to bite a 'validated' statement/question/debate/whatever in the ass becasue everyone is subjective is some way/shape/form.

The bands i used were ones that werent considered metal, i did that on purpose. Anyone who listen to anything harder than Disturbed would know without a doubt that Linkin Park and Korn werent even close to being even realitively 'metal-ish.' As for Amon Amarth, i can tell you personally dont like them, but would also like to see you call the poser-fags and what not to their faces, they would probably eat your face off, castrate you, and then feed your amputated testicles to a dog. But thats just what im guessing would happen  :D

Sadly, we must put an end to this discussion and start posting what the topic was actually meant for, which was people posting their preferred metal bands and maybe putting a video in the post here and there. You can say i 'lost', and i would also agree with that, but i just wanted my opinion expressed and have you at least listen/adhere to what i was saying. Your views are yours and i cant change that, and vice-versa goes for you. Although you said you werent trying to sway me lol  :P

This is the end of the super long posts in this topic, from now on, everyone should just post their preferred bands and what not.. 'Bash' if you want to, i honestly dont care anymore because i will still listen to the music i like, and so will everyone else. I would prefer 'constructive critisicm' over bashing, but it doesnt matter anymore, as there has been plenty on musical bashing, as well as character bashing in this topic already.

Metal, now and forever, will always be FTW  :)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Luneth on June 17, 2009, 09:35:17 PM
^Exactly. We all like metal so I really don't see what the big issue is ._.

Anyhoo, back on topic. I like:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDh5-FIqgZY

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8S3DPc8x3U

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRHd_Zk16XI

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdjOJZJcHqs

Go forth, and critique. ;)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: LancerDo on June 18, 2009, 07:20:52 AM
You really can't say one band is the best.  There are way too many factors to consider


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: tbroaofbtvohfm on June 22, 2009, 06:20:32 AM
As for Amon Amarth, i can tell you personally dont like them, but would also like to see you call the poser-fags and what not to their faces, they would probably eat your face off, castrate you, and then feed your amputated testicles to a dog. But thats just what im guessing would happen  :D
Haha.
If they really reacted like that, then I might be forced to actually admire them for standing up for their music.
I'd love to tell them what I think of their albums, imo they're not too fond of most of their songs in the first place. They've been milked and whored out as a fuse-friendly commercial band for far too long, and I can tell you from experience that as soon as you get any kind of offer from a label or any sort of organization like that, you automatically think "what aspect of which songs did they see the most potential in"?

If you dwell on that question, you're bound to end up compromising your originality (that is, if you have any) for the people who you want to advertise for you/send you whatever meager earnings might be involved.
The first Amon Amarth demo isn't too bad, its actually pretty good, but the fickleness of their drive casts a damn ugly shadow over those 4 decent songs.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on June 23, 2009, 03:46:49 AM
Ya their older stuff is good, and the only thing i like from their With Oden on Our Side CD is Call of the Black Birds, yes i know its garbage and what not, but its a good song to work out to. Disturbed is another band that i listen to whenever i work out, but thats just meh  :)

Not a big fan of Amon Amarth, but they are probably the best of the very few 'Viking metal' bands, at least imo. Havent been listening to much music lately.
That scenario would be funny as hell to see, excluding that fact that i would see a severed ball sack lol  :-*

Favorite song from middle school, my gateway into metal:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzdeH6MaNVI


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Founder_Thresh on July 03, 2009, 09:07:31 PM
How has this thread gone on for so long without mentioning Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath even once? And I only saw one mention of Iron Maiden. These were the bands to start it all! Up the Irons, get the Led out, and uhhh listen to Black Sabbath!


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on July 03, 2009, 10:24:53 PM
A song tells more as any overrated discussion...
A underground song tells more as any mainstream-metal song
Listen to good music is better than everything =)

M A E L V O L E N T  C R E A T I O N - D E V I N E  A N D  C O N Q U E R
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7utIz3C4PA


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: CaliDreamer on July 04, 2009, 01:34:13 AM
Apocalypticai would show u a vid but i dont know how to post the vid only the link :(


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on July 05, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
Apocalypticai would show u a vid but i dont know how to post the vid only the link :(

Next time when you post, hit the TUBE tab, and post the link to the YT video im between the #Invalid YouTube Link# things and you should be fine.

How has this thread gone on for so long without mentioning Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath even once? And I only saw one mention of Iron Maiden. These were the bands to start it all! Up the Irons, get the Led out, and uhhh listen to Black Sabbath!

I agree with you up to Led, wouldnt consider him 'metal,' not even for his time. Black Sabbath is awesomeness, and Iron Maiden is beast! Dont get me wrong, i love me some Led Zep, but just dont see them as metal.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ClownCarnage on July 07, 2009, 06:33:10 AM
As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, August Burns Red, and Devildriver.

Favourite death metal/thrash metal band is Suicide Silence.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Founder_Thresh on July 07, 2009, 08:07:28 PM
Led Zeppelin really set the tone for all of metal to come though. They were the heaviest band of their time with some dark and badass sounds. I can see how you wouldn't see them as metal though. But listen to Maiden and tell me you can't see some Zeppelin there. Plant set that standard for those high pitch vocals, John Bonham is arguably the best drummer of all time, and unarguably the heaviest of his time, and Page is the in my eyes the best guitarist of all time.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on July 07, 2009, 08:24:09 PM
Led Zeppelin really set the tone for all of metal to come though. They were the heaviest band of their time with some dark and badass sounds. I can see how you wouldn't see them as metal though. But listen to Maiden and tell me you can't see some Zeppelin there. Plant set that standard for those high pitch vocals, John Bonham is arguably the best drummer of all time, and unarguably the heaviest of his time, and Page is the in my eyes the best guitarist of all time.

True, Zep did have an effect on metal, i suppose im not old enough to see him as metal though. My father used to go to all their concert, along with Maiden, Sabbath, etc. Im sure he can see how Zep had an effect, and i can see some resemblences. John Bonham is a beast on the drums, and i agree that he is arguably one of the greatest drummers of his time, and in history. As for guitarist, Page is good, but i gotta go with Jimmy Hendrix. That man could work wonders/miracles with that guitar. Also think Eric Clapton, B.B. King, Carlos Santana, Duane Allman, Keith Richard, and Stevie Ray Vaughn are all very good guitarist and all are arguably the best in history, depending on what genre of music is your favorite. All of them captivated audiences with their musical talents, and many of them wrote their own music. Most of these people are why i enjoy listening to older musci than the newer shit. Back then, the music came from the heart, and not from a money-hungry music company trying to promote their 'product.' All of these people played before my time, but i grew up listening to all of these people, so i have to take my hat off to them and say that without them, music would not be where it is today.

Anyhow, here is another metal video:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJrIQsCTcQ


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: darkslayers on July 18, 2009, 11:03:55 AM
Metallica... there amazing and will be one of my favorites metal rock band.  :P


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Severed on July 18, 2009, 11:54:51 PM
Anyhow, here is another metal video:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJrIQsCTcQ

Too bad Suicide Silence is basically a joke to everyone else who listens to metal.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on July 19, 2009, 01:04:43 AM
Too bad Suicide Silence is basically a joke to everyone else who listens to metal.

Not one of my favorite bands, but still listen to them every now and then. LOL at your new sign dude  :D


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: TehNevs on July 22, 2009, 09:07:27 PM
I have a collection of almost 4000 metal songs. I'm a huge new-age heavy metal fanatic. I have got the most generic to the most bizarre heavy metal you'll find. I was a HUGE fan of Nu Metal in the late 90's, when Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Staind pretty much ruled the music scene. That was my favorite time period for music.

Some of my favorite bands would be:

Korn
Between the Buried and Me
Limp Bizkit
The Black Dahlia Murder
The Dilinger Escape Plan
Mushroomhead
SLayer
Killswitch Engage
Whitechapel
The Red Chord
The Acacia Strain
Scar Symmetry
Suicide Silence
Born of Osiris
Cannibal Corpse
Daughters
Psyopus

Thats just to a name a few of my favorite bands, the list goes on for a while but I won't broe you with it. If you want some good metal just drop me a PM!


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Zeitgeist on August 05, 2009, 06:56:38 PM
I'd have to say my favorite is tied between Slipknot and Black Sabbath before Ozzy left.Sabbath only had a few songs after Ozzy left,and Ozzy wasn't any good after he left.Still,gotta give props to Tony Ioma.He did invent metal after all,and that's why Sabbath goes under my favorites.

Now,I have to say Slipknot was great after the Subliminal Verses.I don't know much about before it,but that album was brilliant,and,though it wasn't as good,When All Hope is Gone was great.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on August 06, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
"Brutal Truth" ;)
They stand in the guiness book of world record for a 4 second long song called "collateral damage" and were later beaten by Napalm Death" and their 2 second song "You Suffer"

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WioCw5DKZI


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: GamerBomb on August 09, 2009, 05:32:49 PM
LORDI - GREAT!!!!!!

I got 4 cd's with em :)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: TheGTAComplete on August 17, 2009, 05:58:22 PM
my favourite band would have to be bullet for my valentine, then avenged sevenfold.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: TyberZannxxxx on August 18, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
Metallica and Nine Inch Nails


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: acantophis3rd on August 25, 2009, 09:38:41 PM
But NiN isnt metal =) Anyhow.. the music rocks! :D


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Hanzoh4 on September 11, 2009, 01:11:04 AM
Hm... would this do?

Avenged Sevenfold
Dir en grey (Newer stuff, Marrow of a Bone, Uroboros, and Withering to Death albums)
Cannibal Corpse
Alestorm (Pirate metal FTW 8))
Dimmu Borgir
Lamb of God
Dethklok
Amon Amarth (Viking Metal, FTW)
Sadie (These guys are trying to steal Dir en grey's style. Still good though.)
Maximum the Hormone
Dream Theater
Smphony X
Girugamesh
Hammerfall
Kamelot
In Flames
Killswitch Engage
King Diamond
Mastodon
Murderdolls
Nightwish
Pelican

Just to name a few lol.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ThunderTurkey on November 15, 2009, 05:35:03 AM
Well here my list :P

Iron Maiden
3 Inches of Blood
MegaDeth
Motorhead
Slayer
Metallica
Dimmu Borgir
Hammerfall
Pantera
Damageplan
Sepultura
Fear Factory
Amon Amarth
GWAR
Finntroll
Children of Bodom
Anthrax
Dream Theater
Dream Evil
DevilDriver
Blind Guardian
Iced Earth
Gamma Ray
Anvil
Arch Enemy
Judas Priest
Morbid Angel
Nile
Napalm Death
Nevermore
Rhapsody of Fire
Stratovarius




Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: JoeSchulz on November 18, 2009, 02:34:50 AM
Iron Maiden is obviously the best.  15 studio albums following their next release, and over 30 years of Metal!  Since 1975, when they formed.

Arguably the Most Popular Metal Band there ever was, and gaining in popularity again today.  There is no reason to say anyone is better than them.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: megadeth on November 18, 2009, 03:30:42 AM
ummmm......... MEGADETH

no but seriously other than megadeth i would say metallica, slayer, anthrax, overkill, exodus, annihilator, kreator, tankard, testament, black sabbath, iron maiden, ac dc, and death


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Thetartanqueen on November 19, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
I'd suggest one that I thought was metal and probably be shut down, so I really don't have one.
I don't listen to metal much.
 :-[


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Overkill on November 21, 2009, 05:28:59 AM
I`d have to say Metallica or Black Sabbath


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on November 21, 2009, 07:26:16 AM
I'd suggest one that I thought was metal and probably be shut down, so I really don't have one.
I don't listen to metal much.
 :-[

You should, its the best genres of music out there ;) (biased? lol)

I`d have to say Metallica or Black Sabbath

Expand your horizons.....


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: JoeSchulz on November 22, 2009, 10:24:14 PM
I just wanted to add some information on why I think Iron Maiden is the best at what they do.

1.  All of their albums have a general theme to them.  Makes it very interesting.
2.  There is a lot of mentions to Literature and History.  We know that they are smarter than your average band.  And their music can actually teach you something if you listen to it.
3.  With 3 guitarists they can really lay down some awesome tracks.
4.  Bruce Dickinson has the vocals to reach good low notes (not too low though), his talent really arises in his ability to do high notes.
5.  They've had 3 major vocalists in the band, and throughout the changes they were able to remain popular and a powerful force.
6.  They've released over 35 collective albums.  14 Studio (soon to be 15), 9 Live albums, 4 minor albums, and 8 compilation albums.
7.  They've had their own video game:  Ed Hunter
8.  Eddie (Eddie the Head), the undead figure head of Iron Maiden, that appears on the cover of all their studio albums, and also appears in all of their concerts.
9.  They've played in the largest concert in the world, the Rock in Rio, on two occasions, once in 1985, and a second time in 2001.  A total of 1.5 million people attended in '85, and 1.2 million attended in 2001.
10.  They were one of the spear headers of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, and have been active since then.  They formed the band in Late 1975, and released their first true album in 1980.  They've been together and active continuously for 34 years this Christmas.
11.  They also have their own tour plane, a Boeing 757-200, which they used on their Somewhere Back in Time World Tour, which Bruce Dickinson personally Piloted.  This journey was the basis of the Metal Documentary, Iron Maiden: Flight 666.


There's some awesome facts for you :)  Iron Maiden cares about the fans more than the money.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: HollowDante on November 23, 2009, 06:43:50 PM
well if it came to metalcore i'd say: Baptized in Blood
And for Metal: Obviously Iron Maiden


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ThunderTurkey on November 25, 2009, 09:45:50 PM
I just wanted to add some information on why I think Iron Maiden is the best at what they do.

1.  All of their albums have a general theme to them.  Makes it very interesting.
2.  There is a lot of mentions to Literature and History.  We know that they are smarter than your average band.  And their music can actually teach you something if you listen to it.
3.  With 3 guitarists they can really lay down some awesome tracks.
4.  Bruce Dickinson has the vocals to reach good low notes (not too low though), his talent really arises in his ability to do high notes.
5.  They've had 3 major vocalists in the band, and throughout the changes they were able to remain popular and a powerful force.
6.  They've released over 35 collective albums.  14 Studio (soon to be 15), 9 Live albums, 4 minor albums, and 8 compilation albums.
7.  They've had their own video game:  Ed Hunter
8.  Eddie (Eddie the Head), the undead figure head of Iron Maiden, that appears on the cover of all their studio albums, and also appears in all of their concerts.
9.  They've played in the largest concert in the world, the Rock in Rio, on two occasions, once in 1985, and a second time in 2001.  A total of 1.5 million people attended in '85, and 1.2 million attended in 2001.
10.  They were one of the spear headers of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, and have been active since then.  They formed the band in Late 1975, and released their first true album in 1980.  They've been together and active continuously for 34 years this Christmas.
11.  They also have their own tour plane, a Boeing 757-200, which they used on their Somewhere Back in Time World Tour, which Bruce Dickinson personally Piloted.  This journey was the basis of the Metal Documentary, Iron Maiden: Flight 666.


There's some awesome facts for you :)  Iron Maiden cares about the fans more than the money.
And come on people Its Iron Maiden!!!  How could you not liek Number of the Beast, Fear of the Dark, Run to The Hills, The Trooper, Aces High like come on :D


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: JoeSchulz on November 25, 2009, 09:54:44 PM
And come on people Its Iron Maiden!!!  How could you not liek Number of the Beast, Fear of the Dark, Run to The Hills, The Trooper, Aces High like come on :D

AND, those are just their more mainstream songs.  They have even better songs that are within the albums, like:

Childhood's End
22 Acacia Avenue
Strange World
Lord of the Flies
Mother Russia
Flash of the Blade
Revelations
etc.....  Too many good songs to list.  They have over 150.


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: Electric on November 27, 2009, 02:29:46 AM
metallica & megadeth


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: SoleO Snip3r V2 on November 27, 2009, 06:14:01 AM
Recently got a hold of an album from August Burns Red, called Constellations.

For anyone who listens to metal, i would highly recommend this band, as they are one of the better of the more recent metal bands. (My favorite songs are Meridian, Composure, and Back Burner)


Title: Re: Best Metal Band?
Post by: ralkij on December 02, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
Animosity