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Title: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on October 19, 2014, 10:09:37 PM
just a idea, how about in addition to acceivements you could also list skill points for games that have them?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: MrNormalGuy on October 20, 2014, 04:43:41 AM
Could you elaborate? :P


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on October 20, 2014, 05:01:59 AM
Could you elaborate? :P
I think he's referring to in game achievements in the form of skill points, ribbons, etc. Like how the PS2 versions of Ratchet and Clank have Skill Points that function like trophies or like how in Hryule Warriors there are ribbon awards.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on October 20, 2014, 07:31:27 AM
I think he's referring to in game achievements in the form of skill points, ribbons, etc. Like how the PS2 versions of Ratchet and Clank have Skill Points that function like trophies or like how in Hryule Warriors there are ribbon awards.

If this is what were are talking about, then maybe. The problem is there is no available database of this info, at least not to my knowledge - so we would need to enter all the information and create all the images manually.

What I have been wanting to do for a while is to assign certain users as an expert on a specific game. This particular user would have full editing ability for that game, and could manage all the information we have for it, including adding achievement data. For example, a trusted user who is an expert on Sonic knowledge would be the manager for Sonic games on the site. This could work because some people obviously know more about certain game franchises than myself, and could manage the games better - but it may be difficult to set up and to find the 'experts'.

Alternatively, we could open up achievement data to submissions/edits for all users, and just have the edits approved before they go live.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: xXExceedEdgeXx on October 21, 2014, 02:11:38 AM
If this is what were are talking about, then maybe. The problem is there is no available database of this info, at least not to my knowledge - so we would need to enter all the information and create all the images manually.

What I have been wanting to do for a while is to assign certain users as an expert on a specific game. This particular user would have full editing ability for that game, and could manage all the information we have for it, including adding achievement data. For example, a trusted user who is an expert on Sonic knowledge would be the manager for Sonic games on the site. This could work because some people obviously know more about certain game franchises than myself, and could manage the games better - but it may be difficult to set up and to find the 'experts'.

Alternatively, we could open up achievement data to submissions/edits for all users, and just have the edits approved before they go live.

This idea sounds good so I'd like to add to it, like instead of specific games how bout genres? Like for example
rynogt4 could be the Expert of the Racing Genre given his extensive guides and depth of said genre.

Or something like Roxas1359,xXExceedEdgeXx are Expert's in the RPG Genre seeing as we have extensive knowlege in said genre and particular knowledge of the Kingdom Hearts Series as a mainstream franchise title.

Just bouncing the idea around


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on October 21, 2014, 02:28:31 AM
This idea sounds good so I'd like to add to it, like instead of specific games how bout genres? Like for example
rynogt4 could be the Expert of the Racing Genre given his extensive guides and depth of said genre.

Or something like Roxas1359,xXExceedEdgeXx are Expert's in the RPG Genre seeing as we have extensive knowlege in said genre and particular knowledge of the Kingdom Hearts Series as a mainstream franchise title.

Just bouncing the idea around

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEA7SLPR5eI

I'll have to play around with it a bit - first I need to make the achievement data editable directly from the site.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on October 21, 2014, 05:56:24 AM
I'm kinda hijacking this topic with this new idea, but it could lead to the original idea in the topic.  :-[

I added Roxas as expert on these games:
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Ratchet_and_Clank.html
http://www.gameanyone.com/WiiU/Hyrule_Warriors.html

And I added ExceedEdge as expert on these games:
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Kingdom_Hearts.html
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Kingdom_Hearts_II.html

Currently only one user can be marked as an expert for each game.

What this does currently is let you access the edit page for these games (by clicking on Edit which should show up now). It allows you to change basic info about the game, as well as add difficulty and mode details. All changes are logged to defer malicious edits.

What we can do is add more things to this such as adding/editing/removing achievements, dlc, compilation data, and whatever else comes to mind. This stuff currently isn't easily editable, but I can work on this if there interest.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: rynogt4 on October 21, 2014, 12:37:05 PM
I'm kinda hijacking this topic with this new idea, but it could lead to the original idea in the topic.  :-[

I added Roxas as expert on these games:
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Ratchet_and_Clank.html
http://www.gameanyone.com/WiiU/Hyrule_Warriors.html

And I added ExceedEdge as expert on these games:
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Kingdom_Hearts.html
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Kingdom_Hearts_II.html

Currently only one user can be marked as an expert for each game.

What this does currently is let you access the edit page for these games (by clicking on Edit which should show up now). It allows you to change basic info about the game, as well as add difficulty and mode details. All changes are logged to defer malicious edits.

What we can do is add more things to this such as adding/editing/removing achievements, dlc, compilation data, and whatever else comes to mind. This stuff currently isn't easily editable, but I can work on this if there interest.
I like this idea.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on October 21, 2014, 05:49:28 PM
I'm kinda hijacking this topic with this new idea, but it could lead to the original idea in the topic.  :-[

I added Roxas as expert on these games:
http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Ratchet_and_Clank.html
http://www.gameanyone.com/WiiU/Hyrule_Warriors.html

I like this. :3
Well, time to get to work. I know every skill point for all the classic games off the top of my head,


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on October 21, 2014, 06:34:03 PM
I like this. :3
Well, time to get to work. I know every skill point for all the classic games off the top of my head,

I'm still not 100% sure what these skill points are. Are they like achievements for games that don't have official achievements? Do they have a title and an associated image and description?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on October 21, 2014, 07:12:06 PM
I'm still not 100% sure what these skill points are. Are they like achievements for games that don't have official achievements? Do they have a title and an associated image and description?
In the case of Hyrule Warriors, they are ribbons that are like how old achievements were. They are classified in 3 categories: Bronze Ribbons, Silver Ribbons, and Gold Ribbons. In the PS2 Ratchet and Clank games, Skill Points were like achievements as well, and for the second and third game they are required in order to unlock the Insomniac Museum. The HD remake of the original 3 games took the lazy way out when it came to trophies and made most of the Skill Points trophies themselves.

In current games, the Skill Points are just bonuses to get on the side, as A Crack in Time doesn't require them to unlock the Insomniac Museum, and you can get the Platinum Trophy for that game without getting a single Skill Point. Future Tools of Destruction also doesn't have Trohies, and they were never patched in, so we could assign Trophies based on the skill points for that game. In Future Tools of Destruction, the Skill Points are split into 3 values: 10 points, 20 points, and 40 points.

When it comes to images, the Ribbons have actual images for them with little diagrams inside. I could take screen shots of them on my almost 100% file and cut them out for you. As for Skill Points, they usually don't have a small image associated with them, but they have a bigger image that is shown basically summarizing the skill point that can be modified.

Another game that actually has a little achievement system is Final Fantasy XII/Final Fantasy XII International. In that game, there is the Sky Pirates Den that gives you littler figures for doing certain challenges. The figures themselves look like 16-bit sprites of the challenge you did and they give a description of it.

Spoiler: Here's and example (hover to show)
In total for Final Fantasy XII there are 30 unlockable reward sprites to obtain by doing certain challenges.

There are many games that have something like this in place if they don't have trophies/achievements. Games on the Nintendo Wii and Wii U especially have this since there is no actual system like this. In terms of the first 3 Ratchet and Clank games, the HD rerelease turned skill points into trophies, so only if you wanted to add the skill point acquistions for the PS2 games only then it'd not be worth it. For games like Hyrule Warriors and Final Fantasy XII, they've made a full on in-game achievement system that has images for them and everything. Just ask me and I can find more games like that and get/create more images for you based on it.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on October 23, 2014, 09:32:04 AM
I think he's referring to in game achievements in the form of skill points, ribbons, etc. Like how the PS2 versions of Ratchet and Clank have Skill Points that function like trophies or like how in Hryule Warriors there are ribbon awards.
That's pretty much what I was thinking of actually.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on October 23, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
That's pretty much what I was thinking of actually.
Do I get some corn for getting that right? :D


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: cryogentics on October 23, 2014, 07:25:07 PM
The first I remember having skill points was Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage that's Gateway to Glimmer for you European fans. And then they repeated this idea of skill points in Year of the Dragon. Basically skill points were basically achievements before they were called achievements. Simple to complicated task one could pull off in games as way off showing off ones skill at a game.

With that being the case could the gaps in the Tony Hawk be considered skill points as well.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on October 23, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
With that being the case could the gaps in the Tony Hawk be considered skill points as well.

I think this will be up to whoever becomes the 'Expert' of that game. There is still lots of work to be done to make everything work, but once it's all set up, then we can have people apply or compete to become the experts.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on October 23, 2014, 08:18:44 PM
I think this will be up to whoever becomes the 'Expert' of that game. There is still lots of work to be done to make everything work, but once it's all set up, then we can have people apply or compete to become the experts.
GREAT!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on October 23, 2014, 11:48:30 PM
I think this will be up to whoever becomes the 'Expert' of that game. There is still lots of work to be done to make everything work, but once it's all set up, then we can have people apply or compete to become the experts.
Sounds like a plan to me.

 
The first I remember having skill points was Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage that's Gateway to Glimmer for you European fans. And then they repeated this idea of skill points in Year of the Dragon. Basically skill points were basically achievements before they were called achievements. Simple to complicated task one could pull off in games as way off showing off ones skill at a game.

With that being the case could the gaps in the Tony Hawk be considered skill points as well.

I completely forgot about the Spyro the Dragon games. Yeah, Spyro 2 and 3 had skill points that you had to go out of your way to get so that you could get the Epilogue Book for the ending. Completely forgot about those, which is sad because I LPed those games. :P


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on November 09, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
Just updating you guys to let you know that this is being worked on.

I did lots of work on this today, but it is a rather complex system, so it isn't quite done yet.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on November 09, 2014, 09:53:06 AM
Just updating you guys to let you know that this is being worked on.

I did lots of work on this today, but it is a rather complex system, so it isn't quite done yet.
Eh, we're not going anywhere, and those points in those games aren't either. So you can take you time.  :P
Now if you'll excuse me, I have 17 FLV files to convert because of a recording issue that left me with 7 hours of FLV and 6 and a half hours of MP4...


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on November 09, 2014, 08:56:35 PM
Just updating you guys to let you know that this is being worked on.

I did lots of work on this today, but it is a rather complex system, so it isn't quite done yet.
That's good to know!


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on November 11, 2014, 12:54:38 AM
Achievement adding/editing/deleting is working!

Also, please note, that there are some things in the 'Admin' box on the edit page that may not work for Experts, as these are only for admins (currently). There Delete is in here though, noted by the 'D'.

I added Roxas as Expert on this game: http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Final_Fantasy_XII.html
Maybe you can try it out?

You can get to the edit page by clicking on Edit on the achievement list page. For games that don't already have achievements, you can get to this page by clicking on Edit on the game page, and then scrolling down to 'Advanced' and clicking on 'Add/Edit Achievements'.

This is currently only open to the new 'Experts'. I'm not sure yet how we are going to go about adding Experts.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on November 11, 2014, 01:27:11 AM
Achievement adding/editing/deleting is working!

I added Roxas as Expert on this game: http://www.gameanyone.com/PS2/Final_Fantasy_XII.html
Maybe you can try it out?


This is currently only open to the new 'Experts'. I'm not sure yet how we are going to go about adding Experts.
I'll test it out right now actually. :3

Edit: Seems to work for now. Although in the case of Final Fantasy XII it'll be hard to determine what value it would be since Square Enix has done odd things in some of their HD ports in the past by making difficult bosses the equivalent of Bronze Trophies. I also want to touch up the sprite images a big in terms of background so it doesn't default to a white or black background. Would that be okay?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on November 11, 2014, 03:39:55 AM
I also want to touch up the sprite images a big in terms of background so it doesn't default to a white or black background. Would that be okay?

I made some tweaks just now so that you should be able to upload an image with a transparent background (gif or png), and it will keep it as long as the image height is less than or equal to 64.

I'm not sure we should set these the trophy class for these if they aren't real trophies, that is unless the game actually says what trophy (bronze, silver, etc) they are.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on November 11, 2014, 04:50:04 AM
I made some tweaks just now so that you should be able to upload an image with a transparent background (gif or png), and it will keep it as long as the image height is less than or equal to 64.

I'm not sure we should set these the trophy class for these if they aren't real trophies, that is unless the game actually says what trophy (bronze, silver, etc) they are.
I'll have to modify the size of some of the sprites, but that's easy for me to do. What is the image size you tend to use for the achievements? Is it 64x64, as that can help me make a template.

As for the trophy delegations, I ask because for the two I had added for a test, it instantly defaulted them to the status of a Bronze Trophy.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on November 11, 2014, 06:00:53 AM
I'll have to modify the size of some of the sprites, but that's easy for me to do. What is the image size you tend to use for the achievements? Is it 64x64, as that can help me make a template.
We display the icons at 40x40, but we store them up to 64x64, so that we can make them larger later if we want to. 64x64 is probably the size that you should use.

As for the trophy delegations, I ask because for the two I had added for a test, it instantly defaulted them to the status of a Bronze Trophy.
All achievements/trophies default to Bronze, but this isn't shown anywhere unless they are actually trophies (such as on PS3 and Vita games). I guess it would be better to default them to nothing, but that would require some reworking of our system.....  :mario:



Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on November 11, 2014, 07:02:15 AM
We display the icons at 40x40, but we store them up to 64x64, so that we can make them larger later if we want to. 64x64 is probably the size that you should use.
All achievements/trophies default to Bronze, but this isn't shown anywhere unless they are actually trophies (such as on PS3 and Vita games). I guess it would be better to default them to nothing, but that would require some reworking of our system.....  :mario:


Okay then, I'll get to work on that soon. First I need to finish my research paper for my Asian Studies class and my essay for my English 584 class.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on May 03, 2015, 09:17:21 PM
Okay then, I'll get to work on that soon. First I need to finish my research paper for my Asian Studies class and my essay for my English 584 class.
how is it going so far?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on May 03, 2015, 11:28:36 PM
how is it going so far?
On the skill points or the class? Because if it's the class then I finished those last semester.  :-3
As for the Skill Points for FF XII, just need to sit down and finish them up. In the middle of my finals for this semester though.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on May 06, 2015, 05:56:09 PM
On the skill points or the class? Because if it's the class then I finished those last semester.  :-3
As for the Skill Points for FF XII, just need to sit down and finish them up. In the middle of my finals for this semester though.
skill points & I'm glad your doing so well on both!


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on June 15, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
how are you coming along on the skill points roxas?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on June 15, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
how are you coming along on the skill points roxas?
Got all the info, will input them for FF XII when I get off work today. Then gotta pack for a trip.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on June 15, 2015, 10:27:09 PM
Got all the info, will input them for FF XII when I get off work today. Then gotta pack for a trip.
that's great!


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on June 16, 2015, 12:00:19 AM
that's great!
The skill points for Final Fantasy XII are done. If they could also be transferred to Final Fantasy XII International then that would be great as both share the same Sky Pirates Den and challenges.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Maceman on June 16, 2015, 11:12:16 PM
The skill points for Final Fantasy XII are done. If they could also be transferred to Final Fantasy XII International then that would be great as both share the same Sky Pirates Den and challenges.

What is the difference between these 2 games? Maybe they should just be combined as one game entry on the site?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on June 17, 2015, 12:50:45 AM
What is the difference between these 2 games? Maybe they should just be combined as one game entry on the site?
International has a completely different license system with classes like from the original game, while also adding new modes to play. The vanilla does not have it. They have different gameplay things, but the reward system via the Sky Pirate's Den is still the same for both, although some are easier to get in the International version.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on July 03, 2015, 02:30:40 PM
International has a completely different license system with classes like from the original game, while also adding new modes to play. The vanilla does not have it. They have different gameplay things, but the reward system via the Sky Pirate's Den is still the same for both, although some are easier to get in the International version.
havn't checked yet, but have you put the skill points up yet?


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on July 03, 2015, 04:25:48 PM
havn't checked yet, but have you put the skill points up yet?
They are there for Final Fantasy XII. That's the one I did.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on September 02, 2015, 07:42:31 PM
They are there for Final Fantasy XII. That's the one I did.
there should be more than that though.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: Roxas1359 on September 02, 2015, 10:23:59 PM
there should be more than that though.
That's the only game I was assigned so my job is done seeing as that's the only game I was pup in charge of. Plus with school back in session for me there's no way I really have time to do more I'm afraid.


Title: Re: skill points for games?
Post by: abe on September 11, 2015, 02:51:57 AM
That's the only game I was assigned so my job is done seeing as that's the only game I was pup in charge of. Plus with school back in session for me there's no way I really have time to do more I'm afraid.
ok,that's good to know